checking our top stories now. wayne lapierre expected to speak at cpac, the conservative political action conference. he's the executive vice president of the nra and of course a staunch gun rights supporter. it's an opportunity for the party to refine its message. an incredible rescue caught on video. search teams airlift a hiker into safety as he fell 60 feet into a canyon and suffered broken bones. the man's climbing partner called 911 wednesday but the rescue was delayed overnight because it would have been too dangerous in the dark. the man is now recovering at a

hospital. also looking flat, wages for federal workers. the two-year pay freeze that expires at the end of the month will likely be extended until the end of the year. it's part of a bipartisan plan being debated in the senate. workers can expecting to see a pay bump of half a percentage point. facebook may start incorporating hash tags like twitter and instagram. that's according to "the wall street journal." sources say features won't be you tos anytime soon. right now, they're not searchable on facebook. i'm carol costello. thank you for joining us today. happy friday. i hope you have a great weekend. cnn continues right not with ashleigh banfield. >> thank you, carol. hello, nice to have you with us. this is not what they wanted. this is not what they planned for, saved for, looked forward to. at least it is over. the passengers from a carnival cruise that ended prematurely in st. maarten are now flying back

to orlando today. they're doing so with the cruise line's expense and with the cruise line's, quote, sincere apologies. expected to bring more than 2,000 passengers back home from the carnival cruise ship "dream." a couple fly are going to fly out over the weekend. this incidentally is the "dream." not to be confused with the "elation" that had steering problems last weekend. also not to be confused with the "legend." that ship had problems with propulsion and heading back without a scheduled stop in grand cayman. none of this compares to the nightmare aboard the "triumph." that ship was crippled for days with little power, few working toilets and rationed phone. i'm joined by a carnival "dream" passenger, chris anderson, still on board but likely to be headed

out soon. chris, what does it look like a mass exodus? what is the scene? >> you know, ashleigh, it's relatively calm. they have a small group of passengers, wave one, wave two, and they have a meeting in a common area to then leave the ship to get on some charter buses to then take us over to the airport. i actually haven't received my travel information yet. so i have idea when we're leaving. obviously if we haven't received it late last night, early this morning. means we're not going to leave by at least tomorrow, possibly sunday. but as far as organization the team's very organized. the teams like to have a plan in place. and they're doing it in waves where they're taking large groups at a time. >> so give me an idea how people are taking this. are they angry? confused, frustrated? or everybody is taking this in stride because these things will happen? >> i think everyone is taking it in stride. i think everyone saw what happened with the "triumph" and

realized how much worse it could be. we're stuck in st. maarten. it's absolutely a beautiful day. we're overlooking gorgeous turquoise waters. we have full amenities. we have electricity. working toilets. hot food, running water. there's nothing wrong with the ship. in fact, i talked with some senior carnival officials who flew in on board yesterday. they said, look, the ship is fine. the ship works fine. what it is, it's the emergency backup system. all of their systems are operational. it's that emergency backup system that's having the problems and they, for obvious reasons didn't want to risk going out in the ocean with the emergency backup systems not working properly. >> well my friend, enjoy stst. stst. m st. maarten while you can't. the stock price tumbled down as much as 2% today. speaking of uncharted waters for

wall street, the dow is down straight in 11 days. that's something that's not happened. after hitting another record high yesterday, right now the dow is down a wee bit. down about 40 or so. that could change. never know. by the end of the day, christine romans is here to talk about this live. is this a circumstance where such exuberance, and everyone is so excited. are these the people buying in who perhaps sold at the bottom and buying at the high? >> look, a lot of this is people who bought at the bottom, kept buying along the way and still buying now. you've seen a lot of professional buying. you've seen individual investors who have been late in the game because they wanted to be convinced. ashleigh, this rally has been minting millionaires. about 400,000 new millionaires in this country. that's more than a thousand new millionaires every single day because the housing market is recovering and more importantly

the stock market rally. what happens next? the case for buying stocks, federal reserve, all of this money going into the system. there is no alternative. i told you about that. t investing. >> how about the new millionaires are they pumping that back into the stock market, too? >> they have money in the stock market, they have money in housing. they have money in jobs. >> are they employing people? >> well, that's a good question. you have companies making money. i'm talking about all the money sit onned sidelines. cash the companies are not deploying because they don't need to. that's the disconnect, you see. >> listen, i only ask that you say we're in congress right now at an absolute stranglehold because republicans say, look, tax cuts give more money to people. and when people have more money, they open up their small businesses, their medium-size businesses they employ more people. if people are getting money out of the stock market will it be the same? >> well, will they start to hire? that's this disconnect that

we're seeing right not. you're not seeing the job growth come along with the economic growth. that's what's frustrating. when i talk about new millionaires being minted in the stock market. i get angry feedback. i'm in under water in my loan. i'm not in the stock market. i don't have a good job to do this. >> you know what they say about depression babies? >> what? >> they never change their ways after the depression. that's why they've been careful. >> if you were careful, you would nut miss a big rally here. >> good to see you. >> you, too. we have a lot of other big news, a close call actually for the new head of the catholic church. yikes, a stumble. can recovery, though. pope francis stumbling after meeting with cardinals in vatican city. he's okay. obviously, take a look. barely made a difference. this is after one day on the job. the new pope doing things his way. breaking tradition.

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a search team using sonar has found five cars in the new orleans waterways. trouble is, none of those cars belonged to the missing teacher terrilynn monette. shun hundreds have been scouring the waters looking for this woman. she's a teacher of the year nominee and she hasn't been seen since march 2nd. in her six weeks on the witness stand, there has been a theme until jodi arias' testimony. again and again and again. she tells the jury, i just don't remember. especially all those inconvenient details about the day that she admittedly killed her boyfriend violently and viciously. and yesterday, her psychologist testified as to why she may be so foggy in those areas. >> people who suffer from stress-producing trauma will frequently not recall for a certain period, starting at the beginning of the trauma until sometime thereafter which can be

measured in even hours or even days or even weeks. >> well, it seems awfully plausible, but will a jury who is seemingly fed up with all of her lying, will they buy that? and will they agree with that expert? in her 18th and last day on the stand, a woman who simply had an answer for everything, and quick, suddenly couldn't explain the linchpin in the case when the prosecution was trying to prove meditation. just grilled her on the time line. the all-important time line. she just couldn't explain one of the most important parts. so has the tide finally turned against her. here's cnn's randi kaye, with a quick warning some of the images are graphic. >> reporter: on her final day on the stand, jodi arias was schooled in mathematics. do the math, the prosecutor attempted to show, her story doesn't add up. >> at some point in your life, you get watches. you know about time, you know that movement takes time, don't

you? >> reporter: martinez said arias simply would not havead enough time, given the evidence, to first go searching for the knife she used to stab travis alexander nearly 30 times to his throat. he says she might have had the knife there. >> it would have taken time to actually look for it, wouldn't it? >> i guess under that theory. >> sure, under that theory. it would take time, right? >> yeah, i guess. >> reporter: to prove his theory of premeditation, the prosecutor showed these two photographs, taken just 62 seconds apart, according to their time stamps. arias said this accidental photo of the ceiling was taken after she dropped alexander's camera, when he was still alive. that's when she says, he lunged at her. >> in the 62 seconds between that photograph and exhibit 162, you are body-slammed.

you get away. you get the gun. you shoot him and then, after you're able to get away, you go get the knife and he ends up at the end of the hallway. all in 62 seconds, that's what you're telling justice. >> no, that's not what i'm saying? >> reporter: regardless of what arias is saying, the photo timestamps say something else. in the second photo taken a minute later, arias' foot is seen next 0 to alexander's bleeding body in the bathroom. by now, he's been stabbed and shot. would just 62 seconds between the photos have been enough time to support arias' scenario that a chase and a struggle occurred. more than a month into her trial on her 18th day on the stand, jodi arias offered a brand-new scenario for how the knife came into play. listen to this. >> you needed to go get that

knife at that point, correct? >> no, it's possible travis got the knife first. >> you never told us that he had any knife there, did you? >> no, i wasn't asked. >> reporter: jury members also had questions for arias about the knife. seems they, too, were trying to make sense of her changing stories. >> you said you remember putting the knife in the dishwasher after killing travis. but you also say you don't remember anything after dropping the knife on the bathroom tile. which is correct? >> i have vague memory of putting a knife in the dishwasher. i just don't know if that's the memory of june 4th. >> reporter: there were more questions was the gun in a holster or not when she said she grabbed it out of alex's closet. this is key because the state said she brought a gun with her to kill alexander and never

grabbed a gun. arias seemed to get tripped up again on whether or not the gun was loaded. >> did you tell the jury when you were talking about the attack, in response to one of their questions, that you believed the gun was unloaded? do you remember saying that? yes or no? >> i don't -- >> that's all i'm asking, yes or no. do you remember saying that? >> i don't know. >> reporter: after that, the prosecutor let her have it. >> what were you going to do with the gun, throw it at him? >> reporter: for once, even jodi arias seemed too flustered to respond. randi kaye, cnn, phoenix, arizona. >> okay. that is just awesome and great reporting from randi. you heard her say the magic number is 62. as in 62 seconds. that's how long jodi arias said it took her. hln's mike galanos put it to the test. he did the whole thing. everything like jodi says. he timed it out.

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marriage, republicans continue to surprise. senator rob portman who for years strongly spoke out against gay marriage now says he's for it. he dropped that bombshell in an exclusive interview with our

dana bash, telling her that the change of heart has come because his 21-year-old son has told him that he's gay. but here's his spongs whrespons dana asked him what do you tell your gay constituents? >> what do you say to a gay conexcon sk conexit constituent in ohio who says i'm so glad that he changed his position? why did it take him learning that he has a gay son? why didn't he as my representative care about that before? >> well, i would say i had a change of heart based on a personal experience. that's certainly true. >> in a tweet, senator portman's son, will portman, expressed his joy saying, quote, especially proud of my dad today. portman is with a growing list of republicans who have come out in support of gay marriage. including dick cheney, the former v.p. whose daughter married they are longtime

partner last year. laura bush, colin powell and also meg whitman who originally supported a ban for gay marriage when he ran for governor in 2010, they're all reversed course. portman's surprise comes as conservatives are holding their biggest event of the year. it's known as cpac. happening outside of washington, d.c. wolf blitzer joins us to talk about that. wolf, while we talk about what senator portman has said in his exclusive interview with dana bash. gay groups are not even invited to cpac. >> there's still a split in the country with marriage equality as it's called. it's reflected not only in conservatives, democrats and republicans, although the divisions have narrowed over the past several years, they're reflected in the public opinion polls as well.

though we have seen steady increases over the years, in the number of americans who support same-sex marriage who want gay couples be allowed to get married. so that has clearly changed over the years, what senator portman is now doing, albeit, at least in large part because he discovered his own son is gay, is reflective of a much wider acceptance of gay marriage all across the country. >> so what about the issue of social policy? the evolving republican party? the need to change? the effects of the last election, immigration, gay marriage, all of these things? how much is gay marriage a part of this evolution if there is going to be such? >> well, i think if republicans and conservatives are going to be reaching out to young people, the overwhelming majority of young people in all of the polls we've seen are much more open to gay marriage than older americans, more traditional americans. and even as president -- former president bill clinton who signed the defense of marriage act which maintains that marriage is between a man and a

woman 17 years ago, he signed that into law. he now opposes the defense of marriage act and thinks that gays should be allowed to get married just as any other american should be allowed to get married. so there's a generational gap, if you will. and i think that politically speaking, a lot of republicans are beginning to say to themselves, you know what, since their stance opposing gay marriage is not necessarily popular with younger americans, they've got to see the handwriting on the wall, if you will. but it's significant, very significant with senator portman. he does this on the eve of the oral arguments that will be made before the u.s. supreme court on the defense of marriage act on gay marriage. that we expect a decision by the nine justices before the end of june. look, these justices, while they try to just look at the law, they're also impacted by public opinion, i think it's fair to say. so his decision to express the support for gay marriage i think is significant. >> and we're within two weeks of those oral arguments, too. wolf, great.

thank you so much. i have a reminder, too, we've got this terrific new program that's coming. we want edge to take a peek. it's cnn's new showed called "the lead with jake tapper." it gets under way on monday at 4:00. how could not watch a guy who likes comic books. jake's a good guy. this week, cnn, our hiero, s giving young girls a chance to go to school, a chance to challenge destiny. that many people around the world with a tradition that see as barbaric and yet it keeps happening. it's called female genitalia mutilation. even though it goes on in kenya, it affects, are you ready, 140 million women worldwide. >> i avoided the ceremony as far as i could. most of them are girls and the

muleation when they're 12. i really like going to school. i know once i go through the cutting, i'm going to be married off. and my dream of being a teach are is going to end. my mind said to run away, i had to face my dad and say i will only go through the cutting if he lets me go back to school. >> it was done in the morning, using a very old rusty knife with no anesthesia. i can never forget that day. eventually, i was asked by my community to go to college. i'm kakenya. and i encourage girls to go to school. when girls got to the school, they were shy, but over time, you see them very confident. >> how are you girls? >> fine. >> they are doing very well. it's the most exciting thing.

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cnn's poppy harlow just came out of the courtroom. poppy, update us on how it's going today? >> reporter: actually, this is day three of this rape case in steubenville that has caught national attention, as you know. two very key witnesses for the prosecution. first for hours and hours yesterday, joanne gibbs, a computer forensic analyst for the state, testified, read hundreds of text messages from she says trent mays to his friend and the prosecution trying to piece together what happened to this 16-year-old girl that nice in august at these parties. i'm going to show you two of them, some are so graphic, we can't even read them to our viewers. one of the text, when a friend asked trent mays, the accused if he did anything with the girl that night. he wrote back, yeah, dude, she was like a dead body. i just needs some sexual attention. another text from the alleged victim to a friend of hers

saying i think i was drugged. i have no memory after i left. she means after she left one of the parties. multiple witnesses have said that this girl was highly intoxicated. the defense arguing against that. but here is the clutch. and this just happened really within the last hour. a 17-year-old witness to the alleged rape, and in ohio, rape is not just sex. it's also any sort of digital penetration. he took the stand and testified for hours. what i am about to say is not suitable for children. so parents, listen, take them out of the room if they're watching. this is very disturbing but that 17-year-old witness was in the car with trent mays and the alleged victim driving from one party to the next. and he said, quote, that he saw trent mays, quote, insert his fingers into the victim's vag a vagina. he also testified that he videotaped that for a few minutes on his cell phone, and then deleted that the next morning. ashleigh, you know this, you

know the law, this witness tried to plead the fifth when he took the stand. he did not want to incriminate himself, possibly tampering with evidence, not reporting a crime. the judge in this case gave him immunity so that he would testify. because that's how key what he said to this case to the prosecution, ashleigh. >> poppy, like you said, it's traffic, but it's critical. those are the criticalle details that pertain to statute. they must be read, they must be publicized. at the same time, i can see defense attorneys say you don't know who was typing on that phone at that moment. >> that's happened. >> we'll have to wait what the defense says. thank you for getting out to report those details. >> reporter: you're welcome. >> she's just in a quick break from the proceedings. death row, an inmate versus the governor. the state's highest court hears life and death appeals. now, you've heard that before, right? this one is one you have never

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sometime today, maryland will very likely become the sixth state in the union in six years to do away with the death penalty. the maryland house of delegates is expected to echo a state

senate vote last week, adding maryland to the 17 states overall that do not have capital punishment. look closely at the map, look closely at oregon. it's not yellow. it's not one of them. it does have capital punishment. but the governor does not like it. and he declared a moratorium, at least unless he's gone, or the legislature wipes it off the books. and that essentially pits him against this man, an oregonian who not only supports executions, he wants to be the next one to die. you heard it right. gary haugen has been on death row in oregon since 2007. he killed a fellow inmate a few years earlier while serving a life term for killing an ex-girlfriend's mom. the governor of oregon, john kitzhaber gave gary haugen a prepass to walk off of death row. but haugen insists he got the

sentence for the lethal injection, and it is his right to get it. yesterday, this unprecedented legal battle went before the supreme court. and while we wait for a ruling on it which will likely take months, we can certainly hash out these issues because they're strange if not completely unheard of. my colleague ryan smith who say lawyer and archer of hln's ex press and aer is fighted judge and mediator. judge, let's go with you, all constitutional down if i may. oregon's constitution said an inmate has to agree for clemency. what inmate wouldn't? that's usually what they fight for? but the constitution says this guy doesn't agree. this guy doesn't agree. can he compel the good people of oregon to kill him even if the good people of oregon don't want to? >> you know, ashleigh, in most states they don't have that

provision where an inmate has to agree. oregon is different. he has to agree, and if he doesn't agree, i think the court is going to rule that the governor had no right in this case to grant clemency. had that not been in the constitution, however, the governor does have the right. he can or she can impose clemency on whoever. but this is different. there's a constitutional amendment that states that the inmate has to agree. that's what makes this a little different and a fascinating thing to watch. >> it's completely fascinating. on one hand, we like to respect the constitution. on the other hand, we like to respect our laws. in this respect, ryan, weigh in on this, the governor having the right to grant clemency harkens back to the king where he has the power and can spare lives. we do that in this country. we respect it with the president, we respect it with the supreme court. which one is better?

>> i think it's the governor's right is better. you look at this, clemency is all about an act of mercy. the other side has to accept it. the supreme court has gone through it as well. in oregon, without this amendment, let's say, oregon would be able to pursue this on the idea that a governor could also grant clemency or take the powers to effect justice. this is where it gets murky. got to think the governor is the leader of the state. so if there is a problem with the justice system, he is allowed to act on that basis. now, this case might be interesting talk back tour maybe 2000 in illinois, the governor there didn't take the death penalty, didn't think it was effective. and basically commuted the sense of over 100 inmates because they didn't like that. we're looking at his morals, we're hearing what he said about this. i'm thinking if he didn't say anything about why he didn't like the death penalty, maybe we wouldn't be having this discussion. he could simply say i don't think it's right for our state. >> good point. here's 84 point.

judge, taking the constitution and what the constitution to the inmate means to him. he suggests all of this uncertainty over whether or whether when he will be executed equals cruel and unusual punishment, and that say federal constitutional issue. so if he in fact is the one causing the length and the delay, how on earth could he argue that it's cruel and unusual, if he's the perp, the perpetrator of the cruel and unusual punishment? >> i don't think that really applies in this case. i think that the guy's just fishing for any excuse for him to be executed. it seems to me, after -- the defendant in this case wants to die. he does not like being in jail. and quite frankly, ashleigh, he probably should die. but we have to answer to a higher authority in our country. a country of laws and not men. that there's a constitution involved. and if the constitution states that the prisoner has to agree to clemency, well, there it is. what really should be done, they

should redact that part of the constitution in oregon and say, no, the clemency rests in the hands of our elected leader of our state. >> they may not have to. this one is one of the more fascinating stories i've ever seen with the paradox of it all. thank you, david. thank you, ryan. a 4-year-old girl and a dog. this is not a feel-good story. it is frightening. we've got details for you coming up next. and the pictures as well. working behind the scenes to provide companies with services... like helping hr departments manage benefits and pensions for over 11 million employees. reducing document costs by up to 30%... and processing $421 billion dollars in accounts payables each year. helping thousands of companies simplify how work gets done. how's that for an encore? with xerox, you're ready for real business. yeah we both relieve coughs, sneezing,

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when it comes to sharks, we often tell you about attacks. that is not the story when it comes to this shark. that you're looking at. a white-tip shark died after being placed in an outdoor pool for the purposes of shooting a kmart commercial in los angeles. and that has animal rights activists pretty darn mad. the shark in this video is actually not the one that died. i apologize. i think this is a shark that's made perhaps -- someone has to clarify that for me, actually because this does look like a shark in a pool. kmart says its safety at commercial shoots is always of paramount concern. i want to get clarification if this in fact is the shark -- it is not the shark if question. i apologize. i believe this may be a white-tipped shark, though. i want to till about another story that came across our radar

today. it happened in the bronx. a little girl attacked by a dog. that is something that happens. look on a screen as a grandmother walks with her little grandchild. that dog came flying across the street and latched on to that little girl and did not let go. one bystanders getting out of his car to help. other bystanders coming to help, trying to pry that dog off that girl. it took quite a long time until finally its owner came in with a leach. look at this remarkable attack caught on video. the little girl was taken to the hospital with puncture marks in her arm and in her legs. she's going to be okay. fortunately, she wasn't severely, severely injured. she is going to be okay. it was just incredible to see this. and the owner of the dog was given a summons for not having the dog on a leach. look at that. right across the street, right after the little girl with her

grandmother. our legal team is back to talk about this. entertainment attorney ryan smith is also the hanker of hln evening express and circuit court judge is here from florida. judge, weigh in on this, i could not believe it when i heard this was just a summons for not having a dog on a leash, when a dog is capable of doing that. am i missing something in the plot here? >> what you're missing, ashleigh, people don't take seriously dog attacks because of the different ramifications, i guess, concerning animals. but in some states there are really strict laws that would have, you know, caused the victim in this case to pursue victim charges against the owner of the dog. but not in this jurisdiction. however, saying that, the victim can go after the dog's owner for alldog's owner, because he is the owner has very few rights, it's what they call

strict liability. when you have strict liability, your dog gets off a leash, you're going to come socked with that. >> thank god the girl is fine. you remember back in san francisco, there was a woman killed by two dogs in her apartment building. and the owner of those dogs wept to prison for 15 to 20 years for that manslaughter. >> uh-huh. >> that's my question here. is there some kind of negligence. or is there some kind of recklessness, or any other kind of charge that you can think of that a dog owner who has a dog with his propensity can face in this incident? knowing all the facts that we don't have but knowing what we see? >> right. i would hope they try to change the law that's on the books. at least on the assault charge. because if you know the dog is dangerous and you fail to take precaution, you should be responsible for that. the judge is right.

that's the problem with laws in this country with animals. they don't address the fact that the animal can be a dangerous weapon. i'm not saying that dogs are necessarily inherently bad. but there are circumstances and. and owners need to be held responsible for that. so in a case like this, if he knew the dog was dangerous and he failed to take precautions by having him on a leash, a summons is not enough and certainly not a deterrent for other owners or other people who may let their dogs off a leash. and a dog can respond to anything out there you don't even plan for. i think there's got to be something a lot tougher. >> i think the summons being probably not more than $50 or $60, but that's not what a civil suit might amount to. so thank you to the both of you for your insight on that. now, how much benefit of the doubt can a jury possibly muster in any case let alone the jodi arias case? because the jurors in her case have been tested and tested again hearing admitted lies in an ever changing story from the admitted killer and then some. we're going to take a look at

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well, this certainly could be the lynch pin in the jodi arias case. two photographs time stamped 62 seconds apart. arias claims that in that 62 seconds she was attacked by her boyfriend, she ran for a gun, she got the gun and ran back and shot him then somehow found a knife -- i don't know where, but

somewhere, stabbed him 27 times, slashed his throat ear to ear and dragged his very heavy body with her very light body. the prosecution simply says, i'm sorry, that's impossible. and hln's mike galanos thought it would be a good idea to put the whole scenario to the test, act it out, see if it can be done in the time jodi says she did it. have a look at how he did. >> all right. pick it up. taking pictures of travis in the shower, drops the camera, comes out, never see him this angry and we get the body slam, down she goes, halfway up, gets herself together enough to get out of there, where do i go, do i leave? where do i go? oh, in the closet. i've created some space, i remember the gun up here. she gets the gun, heading back to the bathroom, point it at him, here we go, the confrontation, travis comes at her, like a linebacker as she said, boom, the gun goes off, he's shot in the head, but they're down in a heat now. she somehow gets off, gets up

and it's time to get out of there. but now she finds something, in fact she does, it's knife, time, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29. he's down. now we've got to slit the throat and now begins the drag back of the body. dragging back the body. the picture's taken 62 seconds. can all that be done in 62 seconds? we shall see. >> well, that was one minute 7 seconds and that was really, really fast especially all those 27 stab wounds with a sensibly very big man who's fighting you. remember? back with us is ryan smith and judge david young. gentlemen, was this possibly the final moment where jodi arias could not give one of her perfectly crafted trademark answers to a scenario that

really to almost everybody who has a pulse thinks is impossible. ryan, i'll start with you. >> oh, this is the moment. because you look at this, think about this, you saw mike grab that supposed gun. she had to go in the top of the closet to get a gun all the way towards the back, also she said she didn't know where the knife came from, so she would have to get the knife as well but then she added a detail that travis may have had that knife with him, why, we don't know. all of these things you put them together, she couldn't have gotten it done within the time frame. if the prosecutors tied it together, i think that right there is the equivalent of your smoking gun. how would she have the time to do all the things she said they did? >> judge david, they often call it a very simple thing, a smoking gun or a slam dunk, but i've been in courtrooms where the slam dunk turned into an acquittal. what do you think? >> i think anyone with an iq bigger than their shoe size, ashleigh, is clearly going to

find this woman guilty. but remember the jurors see things and hear things that we outside the courtroom do not. and i think the defense is betting on just one juror, one juror in their minds. that's all that it's going to take. and they probably know who that one potential juror is. and that's what they're playing to. but what the prosecution did in this case was masterful. and i think the final chapter has been written on jodi arias as far as the trial is concerned. >> yeah. >> i'm hoping that the jury does really what it should do and find her guilty of first-degree murder. >> for every slam dunk i have a phil specter and casey anthony. >> that's right. >> thank you everyone for wamping us. have a wonderful weekend. "around the world" is after this quick break. of all promotions. there's nothing like our grilled lobster and lobster tacos. the bar harbor bake is really worth trying. [ male announcer ] get more during red lobster's lobsterfest. with the year's largest selection of mouth-watering lobster entrees. like our delicious lobster lover's dream, featuring two kinds of lobster tails.